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*Note placed next to the Mavenholm tavern* - Crazylol5 - 08-20-2011
"Gentlemen,
I have a bit of a problem and I am sure one of you can solve it.
It's simple: Who should I fight, X or their enemies?
I see many of you already rushing to your parchment writing a letter to me saying that it's simple and I should fight against evil, X.
But here I ask you, why are you "good"?
What makes you better than them, you both would kill each other on sight. Saying that you're the good side protecting Kiwike grants you the ability to be as hostile as them?
They started the argument, yes that is true. But if someone murders your wife or kid and you go out and murder the murderer, it is still murder. Maybe those X men have wifes and children. They might have hung your Watcher friend, but he was watching us all, he was murdered for that ofcourse, he was watching us obey rules or we got killed.
X didn't take my house.
X didn't take my money.
X didn't take my science.
"Good" people did.
But, I am only saying bad things about the "good" people now.
Everything I just wrote counts for X as well.
Now, please, send me a letter or contact me, and tell me which side I should join and why.
I might just be an insignificant soldier, but try to convince me.
P.S. I do not want to offend any of you, I am just stating reasons I have not joined the fight against X yet."
RE: *Note placed next to the Mavenholm tavern* - DARK_DUSK - 08-20-2011
((x took my guild, GTFO))
(( also "X" that's not a very clever assassins guild name. ))
((well X killed my guild RP wise))
RE: *Note placed next to the Mavenholm tavern* - Cerce - 08-20-2011
A letter arrives bearing the Cerantian emblem.
It reads...
"Sir Crazy...
I have heard tell that your insanity has led you to blur the lines between good and evil. Let me tell you what, exactly, good and evil is.
Evil. It is anger, jealousy, greed, resentment , inferiority, lies & ego. Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, humility, kindness, empathy, & truth. That is the simple explenation of it all. Evil can bring joy; but in a greedy way. Do not get the 'feel-good' kind of Evil mixed up with Good. It will only lead to more Evil.
I do hope this clears up your currently clouded mind.
~Cerce Eugene Tentones
A letter arrives bearing the Cerantian emblem.
It reads...
"Sir Crazy...
I have heard tell that your insanity has led you to blur the lines between good and evil. Let me tell you what, exactly, good and evil is.
Evil. It is anger, jealousy, greed, resentment , inferiority, lies & ego. Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, humility, kindness, empathy, & truth. That is the simple explenation of it all. Evil can bring joy; but in a greedy way. Do not get the 'feel-good' kind of Evil mixed up with Good. It will only lead to more Evil.
I do hope this clears up your currently clouded mind.
~Cerce Eugene Tentones
RE: *Note placed next to the Mavenholm tavern* - Crazylol5 - 08-20-2011
*A letter is quickly sent back to sir Tentones*
Sir Tentones,
Anger is evil. I completely agree with you.
I have heard the stories of what happened at the Mavenholm tavern that day, you did not seem all that peaceful and happy.
Inferiority, Ego, why we want kill an assassins
guild that is simply doing their job. We could kill or we could not kill, but it seems as the current definition of good is kill whoever is against us, or "a danger to society"! These people are assassins, they get payed to kill people. They don't want to kill you, the person who pays them is the real evil.
I'm not trying to address this all to the people against X, when X sends me a letter I will have my arguments too, but I'll have to say this:
If a group would fight against the system, start a revolution, and that group is truly good inside, they are trying to better the world, so they attack one leader by one hit and tell him to change his way of leading the nation, everyone of those revolutionists would be murdered. All of them slaughtered. By the "good" leader.
-Crazy
RE: *Note placed next to the Mavenholm tavern* - Cerce - 08-20-2011
Sir Crazy;
I believe you have taken Anger out of context. That was not anger. It was an attitude of retribution.
And I do not want to kill the assasins. Whoever said that I wished to kill them is wrong, completely wrong. I would just as soon kill an endangered lion. Granted, if that lion tried to bite me, I'd kill it in defence and self preservation, but never kill in cold blood. Tame? Feed? Leave it well enough allone, if possible? Yes. But this particular lion has reared it's ugly head and roared in my face; it seems I cannot leave it allone, and it does not wish to be tamed, nor will feeding it calm the beast that it is. All I can do is stand my ground, prepare for a defence, and hope to the One that rules over all that it decides I am not a particularly delicious morsel today. If it turns to someone else, I will help them defend against it. If it goes away, I will not pursue it. But as long as danger prowls beneath this untamed behemoth that is X, I will stand my ground defiantly, hopeing all the while that there can be some peacefull resolution that is fair and just to all concerned.
And I am not against the X because we are inferior, or because of my ego. Yes, I do have an overactive ego, and is one of my major setbacks in life; but it is not my reason for standing up to these assasins. I would highly doubt that we are in any way inferior to the X, except maybe in skills of subterfuge and killing; which I am quite glat to be inferior of. I stand my ground not because of these two things; not because of evil purposes. I stand up to Evil to maintain what is Good. Their greed drives them to kill for money. Their anger at life in general pushes them to snuff out what we all hold dear. Their jealousy of our enjoyment of life only angers them even more. Their lies that they use to cover their tracks even now burry them in a wave of guilt; and if not, know that you will reap what you sew, feeling guilty or not. Their inferiority over all civilized manner of behavior has pulled them to the depths of dispair where causing others grief is the only way they think that they can regain what happiness they may have lost. Their resentment of this fact only heightens this feeling. But their ego will not let them state this openly; instead, they act in the shadow, mysterious, and maleavolent, waiting for whoever might step into their path, so they may toy with them in whatever manner they seem fit. They are abominations seekign only twisted pleasure in the act of causing death.
Do not toy with the idea that they are in the right. To do so is only to lie to yourself; which is in essence Evil.
~Cerce Eugene Tentones
RE: *Note placed next to the Mavenholm tavern* - DARK_DUSK - 08-20-2011
(( u make evil sound more bad than it is. It's fun killing ppl
may not be so fun on the other guy. Were ever there is good there will always be evil, what would kiwike be if it wasn't for the grand war? Were would kiwike be without out the KoD? Were would kiwike be without Jyanowitz? I'll tell you were, without people, you know why, because there wouldn't be anything to do the server would be boring. What if batman had no evil to fight what if there was no evil? Im not telling you to embrace evil, I'm telling you to fight it, and embrace it. So crazy u join X and cerce you fight them. And I'll sit back and take pleasure off of you all fighting 
Note *this is coming from one of the last remaining watcher* ))
RE: *Note placed next to the Mavenholm tavern* - MainDigger - 08-20-2011
(08-20-2011, 08:22)DARK_DUSK Wrote: (( u make evil sound more bad than it is. It's fun killing ppl
(( Remember that he wrote it all in his RP-character. That may or may not reflect his own thoughts. Cerce Tentones is a honorable man who cannot stand injustice. Cerce, the guy from Michigan, might have other feelings towards this. That is a crucial part to remember when RP'ing.
Oh, and all those "evil" things you mentioned, they came, they left and i didn't notice any difference.
Sorry if you wanted to write this yourself Cerce, but i couldn't just sit idly by while someone have a different opinion than me
))
RE: *Note placed next to the Mavenholm tavern* - Cerce - 08-20-2011
((xD And Dark, I understand where your comming from. IRL, I'd rather it be boring than fret with peril. But in game, I have the same basic idea that I'd rather me be bored than me sit in a hovel hoping to God that nobody's going to kill me. That's just me. I'd wrather sit, have nothing to worry about, plan some good ol' fashioned Dungeony-type roleplays like The Crypt of Nomanic Carver, where there is a 'fun' evil, a guy who wants to kill everyone, but isn't a douche about it. Jyan was a douche. KoD could be a douche when they wanted to. But these assasins... they are just fricken fun to fight against. They finally brought ethical questions that people are finding hard to answere, and it's more than just 'Oh, they r bad, cuz deh kill pplz'. They make you think. And then think back on your thinking, cuz what if what you were thinkign is just what they wanted yo uto think?
So, basically, what Main said. Cerce hates injustice, and has fought Evil ever since he learned of the One. Me? I hate Evil, too. But I don't have someone carving an X in my neck, so I don't scream and shout and yell 'EVIL! FIGHT AGAINST IT!'. Now, if Russia invaded America for kicks and giggles, I'd start yelling. I wouldn't say to let them come and fight so I can sit back and laugh.
But that's prob. what you swedes would do if Russia invaded America xD))
RE: *Note placed next to the Mavenholm tavern* - DARK_DUSK - 08-20-2011
(08-20-2011, 08:37)MainDigger Wrote:(08-20-2011, 08:22)DARK_DUSK Wrote: (( u make evil sound more bad than it is. It's fun killing ppl
(( Remember that he wrote it all in his RP-character. That may or may not reflect his own thoughts. Cerce Tentones is a honorable man who cannot stand injustice. Cerce, the guy from Michigan, might have other feelings towards this. That is a crucial part to remember when RP'ing.
Oh, and all those "evil" things you mentioned, they came, they left and i didn't notice any difference.
Sorry if you wanted to write this yourself Cerce, but i couldn't just sit idly by while someone have a different opinion than me
(( First to much work to put all that ^ what I wrote into an RP format, I hate large walls of text they are very annoying. Second if you don't see a difference then why care if there is evil? Third I use to be a watcher (a protecting guild) don't you dare tell me whats not needed BOY! CLOSED BRACKET!
RE: *Note placed next to the Mavenholm tavern* - Cerce - 08-20-2011
((In other news, I posted mere secconds before Dark, and I think I fixed my double post bug.
((In other news, I posted mere secconds before Dark, and I think I fixed my double post bug.
((Nope... Still there... Fricken Internet Explorer 9...
((Nope... Still there... Fricken Internet Explorer 9...