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RE: again - Pixel - 03-04-2012 Pls listen. Pics or it didn't happen. Stuffs happen on accident, unless you are 100% sure and saw him do this you has no proof. Facts are facts, just because your a mod with opinion doesn't mean you can just ban everyone suspected of doing this. I demand a trial for this poor fellow. I realize I have nothing to do with this, seeings as I don't do much in-game, but I do feel he was banned unfairly even though I can see why he got banned. RE: again - geckosquid - 03-04-2012 Pixel, that's why he made an appeal. I will now answer his every concern. Give me a few minutes. (03-04-2012, 20:27)pavja2 Wrote:I apologize for not elaborating further. Allow me...(03-04-2012, 18:50)geckosquid Wrote: Just something you'll have to put up with. Anyways, here's the deal: 1. The base belonging to Cell and I was the one with the two-block waterfall. I'm sure you recall, as you just stole from it three days ago. There were two chests on opposite sides of the walls, hidden in corners. The only blocks you touched in the entire base were the ones needed to get to those chests; two blocks vertically for my chest, and another two going towards Cell's chests horizontally. While I realize whose chests they are is not a relevant piece of information, I think you're smart enough to understand my point. 2. There were some odds and ends in the chests, but nothing significant. On the contrary, it is logged whenever someone opens a chest, as it was a few days ago. However, you did take some insignificant things from the chests, which, of course, was logged; the logs said you did so directly after digging to them. Surprise, surprise. 3. There are mods that detect air pockets. 4. My chest (as you left it): ![]() Cell's chests (again, as you left them): ![]() 5. My point was that it was incredibly obvious someone had gone through our hidden chests, which is why the situation warranted a block check. Oh, and it's worth adding that five moderators reported to the scene to discuss, and agreed on a ban. Finally, please do not even begin correcting my grammar. I counted 15 infractions in the last post you made alone. If you want to get unbanned, I suggest you treat the staff with some more respect. RE: again - pavja2 - 03-04-2012 Ok, this should be pretty easy to sort out. First these chests were by no stretch of imagination well hidden. The only utility for an ugly cobblestone wall is to hide stuff, couple that with the extremely strangely designed corners and that's two strikes against the "well hidden" claim. Additionally if you looked around a little more closely you would note that I had also investigated that wall on the Second of January at 5:15 PM Eastern Time as indicated by a note I took at that time to remind myself that there were hidden chests in your base that should be checked when you all were online so I could unlock them. Another reason it was obvious those chests were there is because there was a wealth disparity between your supply room and your base. You had less "stuff" stored in your supply room than your suspected wealth which meant I knew that you had to have chests hidden somewhere. If you look around the area beneath your base you will see that I had extensively explored that entire area looking for chests to no avail. Ultimately I realized that hiding stuff under lava-pools at bedrock was too much trouble for items that you all seemed to use fairly frequently (smoothstone, glow, iron, diamonds, etc.) and that it was more likely that the stuff was stored in an accessible place, such as the room in which your beds were located. In addition to all of that, I am definitely not the first person to have seen those chests, I have actually gotten /msg's from other players asking if I "knew about Cell's hidden chests," to which I replied "yes" because by that point I had already found them. As to leaving those little holes in the walls, I'm pretty sure that at least one of those holes was there before I checked out the chests. Additionally, I was under the impression that the base was abandoned and as a result no one would mind if I just moved on. Removing those blocks was entirely my bad and if you want to ban me for removing 3 blocks from the cobblestone inside wall of an abandoned base that is an entirely different issue that should probably be addressed in a separate thread. Also: Quote:If you want to get unbanned, I suggest you treat the staff with some more respect. Seems rather coercive, I'm sorry if my contesting a miss-issued ban offended you or the staff but if you want to ban me for being disrespectful that is an issue entirely independent from whether or not I xrayed. (03-04-2012, 20:49)Smythie Wrote: I don't think it's a coincidence that you are always getting banned for xraying, clearly there is a reason behind it all. You are xraying. This is absurd. Just because I am the only person on the server who actually puts effort into stealing from high-profile players after planning and paying close attention and roaming the map aimlessly for hours looking for slight oddities that might indicate a hidden place does not mean that I use x-ray. The only thing my frequent bans indicate is that I am much better at thieving than our moderators are at moderating. I would also like to point out that I have never been banned for xray. Every single time the ban has been revoked because the moderators have realized they were mistaken. If the moderators had taken a proactive approach and ask me about a suspected xray before issuing the ban none of my past appeals would ever have been made. RE: again - Cell - 03-04-2012 (03-04-2012, 23:10)pavja2 Wrote: I have actually gotten /msg's from other players asking if I "knew about Cell's hidden chests," ![]() RE: again - Leech - 03-05-2012 (03-04-2012, 23:10)pavja2 Wrote: roaming the map aimlessly for hours looking for slight oddities that might indicate a hidden place I very rarely see you on, how could you spend that long looking for oddities ![]() RE: again - DjFuzz - 03-05-2012 The fact is, every single base that you go to (which is like everyone on the server) you always find the hidden rooms and areas that can be seen by a X-ray mod first time, you NEVER seem to search around when looking for these hidden areas. And also what leech says, I'm not always on the server but I am on the website and I check who are online, I really see you online, maybe a hour on a weekday and 2 on weekends. It's odd how you find so many bases in such a short period RE: again - leowester - 03-05-2012 (03-05-2012, 00:02)Leech Wrote:No... i know whenever he is online he usaully is roaming looking for bases and often then not he is simultaneously telling me that he is finding hidden bases and chest. I think we just have to accept that he is really good at he does.(03-04-2012, 23:10)pavja2 Wrote: roaming the map aimlessly for hours looking for slight oddities that might indicate a hidden place RE: again - pavja2 - 03-05-2012 (03-05-2012, 00:02)DjFuzz Wrote: The fact is, every single base that you go to (which is like everyone on the server) you always find the hidden rooms and areas that can be seen by a X-ray mod first time, you NEVER seem to search around when looking for these hidden areas. Areas that take up a lot of space are substantially easier to find than well hidden chests. Even if I suspect I know where a buried chest is there is the increased risk of being accused falsely of xraying. If I can find enough stuff in the easy locations i'll just move on rather than take everything, or i'll come back later when I need more stuff. Also, the second portion of this statement is non-falsifiable and too vague for me to respond to. The fact that I make these thefts without xraying is proof that I have enough time to make these thefts without xraying, short of tautology this is really difficult to respond to. That said, I generally do nothing other than wander about looking for bases and have gotten better as a result of doing it so frequently. Additionally this seems to be irrelevant to the ban, if you wish to ban me for being a successful thief I would be more than happy to discuss that in a different thread. Unless you can provide specific instances in which I have xrayed there is no justification for banning me for doing so. I feel that it is abundantly clear that I have not used xray mods/texture-packs at any point during my time on Kiwike and that this and all previous bans have been the result of gross incompetence on the part of the people attempting to hide the items and on the part of the moderators who have adopted a policy of ban first, ask questions later. These frequent "witch-trials" are harming my credibility on the server despite my innocence. Most of these issues could be handled quickly and privately. I (and I am sure a non-insignificant number of other players on the server) am rapidly losing faith in the ability of the staff to handle situations in a professional and rational manner. Additionally I am regretting the time and energy I have put in to creating an exciting RP organization that has been routinely persecuted by reckless and inconsiderate bans. If thieves in my guild are going to be banned for xray after every heist they will quickly lose essential anonymity. Clearly a lot more than just my ban needs to be considered and revised by the staff. RE: again - Android - 03-05-2012 I can't speak to declare whether you spend as much time online as you say you do, but I must say that it would be much easier to discuss with you these possible wrong-doings if you were in fact online. Keeping in consideration that these occasions are frequent, I'm surprised you're not online within one or two days of the banning as to allow us to talk it over. RE: again - leowester - 03-05-2012 (03-05-2012, 03:58)Android Wrote: I can't speak to declare whether you spend as much time online as you say you do, but I must say that it would be much easier to discuss with you these possible wrong-doings if you were in fact online. Keeping in consideration that these occasions are frequent, I'm surprised you're not online within one or two days of the banning as to allow us to talk it over. I can vouch that he was on... just not when your on. |