Android24557 Grieding- Continued (2)

[tuxman007]

Is this sufficient clarrification for the Defendant?

No, it's not. I will make arguments to each of your statements about the quotes I used.


First Quote:

"Yotta was asked and replied to several people asking if that weekend was official wartime. His response was a decisive "No"

Your interpretation of this quote is not adequate to clarify it's meaning.

Should we, for a moment, consider your saying true, we would have to consider that the conflicting rules are based on what the defendant said, not what the OP of the post I quote so much. The defendant does not hold greater power over Yottabyte, and therefore his interpretation of Yottabyte is not greater than Yottabyte's own text, which you say conflicts with what Android said. Remember that Yottabyte's text is what I quote, and it must be held above all, for the server is his, and he writes the rules.

To put it simply, what Yottabyte says goes, clearly. And what Android says, under your interpretation, conflicts with that. If you are to use that interpretation, you must first justify it in the face of what Yottabyte said on the post at: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic....69d86b7a58 with which you claim it conflicts with, under your interpretation.

Also note that under my interpretation, there are no conflicting statements, and therefore my interpretation is more correct than yours.


Second Quote:

"As far as the previous weekend not being wartime, if it was, all town plug-ins woud've been froze, as it says in the forums. You should read up as well."

Stealing and killing ( as you call raiding ) I do not contest. Griefing, I do. And griefing took place. blocks were destroyed. That is griefing. Griefing is not raiding, and both took place today. Raiding, as seems obvious, is a different story, and though it happened today, it is the griefing that I am here to clarify. Raiding we can argue about in a different thread

If griefing were allowed out of wartime, then the OP on the post on the forums that I quote so much would feel no need to clarify a time for them,

(taken from http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic....69d86b7a58)

"Every weekend it's wartime on Kiwike.
During war time, the majority of town commands in the game are frozen so as to not create unwanted effects.

...

No griefing (if not wartime)"


If war time was all time, he wouldn't say "if not wartime". He would say: "griefing is allowed at all times"

However, he clarified when "War Time" is, which means it is a set time. If it was all time, he wouldn't have said that. You must address this before you can turn this quote against me.



The Third Quote:

"Oh, and weekend wartime starts next weekend, not this previous one."

You say this is about the plugin. Nowhere did Android mention that on that post. If he was talking about mods, he would have clarified. But we were talking about rules. Android is smart enough to clarify what he is talking about before going off on a tangent. Or would you beg to differ?

The other two quotes he mentioned plug-in on, but this one? No.

You have done what you accused me of doing: Taking a quote out of context to fit your points. Please clarify, with context, the next quotes you use in your case.




So to answer your question, no. There is not sufficient proof that my evidence is invalid.

[Caladin]

I can't be bothered going into an extended reply, nor can I be bothered reading your rants, but maybe this can clear it up a bit:

Law, basically, is there telling you what you cannot do.
No where in the rules does it state that one cannot raid on weekdays, therefore, it must be legal.

You cannot honestly believe you can dispute that.

[tuxman007]

Read the full post, then revise your reply, as it has no context here.

Reading the entire post is necessary to understand the context in which you are posting.

In my last post I clarified that this argument is not about raiding, although that may be disputed later on, but this argument is about griefing, which is not raiding.

You have to read the post, dummy.

On a side note, I am going to sleep, and will probably next post tomorrow. Best of luck for answering my arguments.

[Caladin]

Ok, your original complaint (which, may I mention, I did read) was that:
45 iron was stolen
A number of iron tool where stolen
Glass was destroyed
Lapiz lazuli was destroyed
Your roof was damaged
Other parts of town where damaged.

Your first complaints, the stolen iron and iron tools, my argument stated that it was legal, as it was raiding, but it appears that you have accepted that, so yeh, that post could have been unneeded; if I am not mistaken, sorry.

The greifing; that is up to dispute; it depends whether wartime means when a state of war exists between two nations, such as stated by the DoWs, or whether it means the defined wartime period that is specially set up.
You'll have to ask for clarification on that, and to be honest, I would be very interested to find out, and it would be very useful to know.

[Android]

My evidence, my argument, was and is heavily based on the facts. These facts being that The Vikings recently came to our town, destroying any and all unprotected areas. These places were unprotected, and therefore, not exactly in our town's official borders. Anything my men were capable of breaking (Being of value, mind you, as breaking for the purpose of gathering materials that are able to help you in any way is perfectly legal) must have not been in your towns boundary and therefore, this was a common attack on any old nomad's wilderness.

The other absolute fact, last weekend was not wartime. As I said, it was discussed in game by the admin himself. It wasn't wartime because it was our very first weekend, and we barely had the map up for more than a day. If some are confused, Tux, please consult this website: http://sites.google.com/site/townymod/help/war. When we say Weekend "Wartime", we are talking about the process of towns having HP, and towns going bankrupt from the killing of their men. It's all a set process. "Wartime" does not refer to a common raid during any day of the week.

[tuxman007]

Your second argument:

http://sites.google.com/site/townymod/help/war

Wartime is still defined as a time when griefing isn't allowed, and it is still time that is controlled. You havn't disabled my argument.


Your first argument, that they griefed you first:

Breaking of the rules, as I said earlier, is not to be taken out randomly and erratically, but rather is to be exacted by the apporpraite parties. You, as a mod, and other mods on at the time, should have stopped them while it was happening. If no mod was there, but proof was had, then a forum post should have been made, and the correct people contacted. If there was no proof, and no mods on, then you can't prove it happened. It is one of these three, so.... why didn't anything happen?