Non-rp killing - broader rules clarification and discussion requested

[tristo999]

So; since raids are PvP oriented only, and completely eradicate any chance for typed, spoken, or acted roleplay, other than the roleplay of one person killing another, I suppose that, as a roleplaying server, raids should be against the rules.

Raids should have RP reasoning behind them. You aren't going to debate your enemy into submission.

TLR - RP does not mean 'raging pussy'.

Yes, raids should have RP reasoning behind them - but simply having reason doesn't give an excuse to not roleplay while carrying out the raid.

If all you need is a reason, and it doesn't matter what you do or how you do it, just as long as you get the goods in the end, then this is not a server I would want to be playing in.

Think about it: I yell at you. I give you a reason to raid me. Therefore, it nullifies you of all necessity to roleplay - enabling you to kill any and all in your path to get to me, thereby effecting countless others and causing their roleplays to get ruined - which is technically grief, as it impedes on the gaming experience of others.

My complaint is not in the reason of the raid. My complaint is in how raids are carried out. Either they should be raids - which is the strategic insertion of troops to gather intelligence, steal enemy equipment, or remove key positions or troops, and then withdrawal (which, might I add, is done with minimal exposure of the raiders) - or they shouldn't happen at all.

Now, if we are using a viking terminology of raid, which is the rampant slaughter and rape of as many people as you can get to in as short ammount of time as possible, then I will pack my bags and head off - because I came for roleplays, stories, events, and friends - not PvP that occurs because people are bored and can't come up with an interesting thing to do that doesn't involve ruining someone else's game.

And the message that doesnt get through repeats itself once more :/
I agree with this totally.