Android24557 Grieding- Continued (2)

[tuxman007]

Android, please know that I am reporting your wrongs to yottabe. Ban me, silence me, do what you will. From these posts, and your inflammatory responses, your guilt is obvious.

To reply to your post:

"Ok, now this is spamming what's been solved, an even more legitimate means for a lock."

You proved my points by this. I hope you're happy. Additionally, if you can't properly respond to my posts, than you are not capable of just locking the thread and hoping it goes away.

Especially considering that you locked it, if anyone is guilty of spamming, it is you for avoiding topics, and abusing moderator power. All reading this, take note.


"As far as the previous weekend not being wartime, if it was, all town plug-ins would've been froze, as it says in the forums. You should read up as well."

This may be true, or it may have been an error. The fact still stands that there were moderators on while fighting and griefing was going on, and no one did anything to stop it, including moderators. This does nothing to help you.


"Yotta was asked and replied to several people asking if that weekend was official wartime. His response was a decisive "No"."

Then explain the original forum post (see 1st OP). I'll post the link here:

http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic....&start=210



"One last thing, I am a moderator, meaning I discuss the running of the server with the other staff, meaning I am in on things you may not know ie are people allowed to raid other towns on weekdays (Although I thought this was obvious to all >.>)."

If you are keeping rules that none are allowed to hold, then how can they be upheld? Furthermore, how can you presume to uphold rules that are public, and not uphold ones that aren't.

Once again, I must refer to the original forum post. If the rules are not these, then change the forum post, for it is misleading, and incorrect.


"Topic Locked. "

You really are a broken record, locking topics, forcing me to start new ones to bring you to justice. You must understand, you are causing spam this way.

Ban me if you will, for it is the only way to shut me up. But I shall not pause until justice is done.

Thank you.

Please note that I will not start another thread after this one, as a message to Yottabe has already been sent. I CCed you Android, so you'll know what I said. On a further note, deleting these posts will only incriminate you more, so I suggest that you leave these threads untouched.

[Cerce]

I will post bout this in sek, don't lock this one android. Plz, I wanna yell at somebody. Havnt yet today. On phone, post later.

[tuxman007]

I will post bout this in sek, don't lock this one android. Plz, I wanna yell at somebody. Havnt yet today. On phone, post later.

Please do. I would love someone who can actually form an intelligent argument to defend the accused. Maybe you could knock some sense into me, or perhaps even prove me wrong.

I am here to make sure justice is served, so convince me.

Come at me, bro.

[Android]

I'm leaving this one open for the public, on behalf of Cerce, not your false claims.

[SirSuba]

I want no part of this post except the guy flying. That is very illegal. The rest is gray enough that android is most certainly not in the wrong.

[tuxman007]

(To Android)

And for that I thank you, for preventing spam on these forums.

And as your your claiming my accusations are false, that is your opinion and so you are entitled to it.

We have yet to see the verdict, however, of the judge, Yottabe, as to whether my claims are valid.

I'll be back in a few hours to respond, probably.

[Android]

Thank you Suba. In regards to a flying mod, I was not actually there at the time of any raid, and couldn't really see what was up. I think it'd be better to have video proof of this.

[Cerce]

*Disclaimer* I have no clue whatsoever as to any accusations reguarding the flying mod. I wasn't there, and for all intents and purposes, I haven't installed anything more advanced than Zan's Minimap, and even that I skrewed up royally.

I have a few questions for you, Tux. May I call you Tux? Anyways... Tux, were you aware of an existing war between the combined forces of the Cerantian Empire and the Helvanthan Republic versus the Great Vikings of Eyvind, which was declared aprox. midday on Apr. 10th, 2011? Are you also aware that in no point in the post reguarding wartime in 2.0 was it outlawing war in weekdays?

Said post:
Every weekend it's wartime on Kiwike.
During war time, the majority of town commands in the game are frozen so as to not create unwanted effects.

When the war starts, all nations who aren't neutral, have their towns and its land converted into a warzone. Each townblock in the warzone is given health points (HP). The town homeblock has more HP, but when it's lost, the entire town loses.

Any townblock in the warzone is considered fairgame for anyone else at war.

When an enemy player enters a warzone, the HP of the townblock drops, forcing the residents of that town to protect that area. Whoever kills the other will lose a certain amount of gold for the dead player. If the dead player no longer has any more gold in his account, it's taken from the towns coffers. When the town is bankrupted, the town is removed.

If a townblock is lost, the attacker's town get +1 bonus town block, while the loser get -1.

The last nation, or league of allied nations remaining, will get half of all the spoils of war. The spoils of war contains all the money left in bank accounts when they were deleted, as well as any death during war not directly caused by another player.

This prompts the fact that weekends are the only days where nations may be taken over. It speaks nothing of raids, which could happen at anytime.

Are you aware that you made this post: 'Please not that I did not grief you, I just built a house there. I did nothing to incite violence against your civilization. Am I to be grouped with others whose actions are not of my own consent?;
In roleplay terms, which you concided to when you joined a roleplaying server, yes, you are. In virtually every war in the history of the world, civilians of nations are also considered enemies. Think WWII. In the nuclear attacks against Japan, did not innocent civilians die to prevent even more death, and better the outcome of history? If you don't want to be grouped with others, you should not join their nation.

Ladies and gentlement of this server, I rest my case. Tux's argument his hereby invalid.

[tuxman007]

Your entire argument is based off the assumption that war continues into weekdays. This however is not true, or it would be specifically mentioned on the servers.

Furthermore, Android has said multiple times that it is not wartime.

Namely:

"Yotta was asked and replied to several people asking if that weekend was official wartime. His response was a decisive "No"

"As far as the previous weekend not being wartime, if it was, all town plug-ins would've been froze, as it says in the forums. You should read up as well."

"Oh, and weekend wartime starts next weekend, not this previous one."

all of which say opposite.

Clarify your argument with the defendant before presenting it.

As for my awareness of there being a war, it was not clear to me, as the post that declared war said "War List: Roadbuilders? Helvanathan" which is the closest I could find. Having never heard of either (lest road builders be the actual builders of roads), I assumed it defunct.

I, however, do not see the relevance in this point. The above proof that there is discord in your statement that "war is all the time" makes this unimportant.

You have yet to bring any evidence to the table that isn't just your interpretation of the rules. Everyone has an interpretation, and we can only follow what they say to the letter, and nothing more.

[Cerce]

The Vikings of Eyvind were also within the war list, if you read my post, 'Declaration of War'.

I would also like to prove your proof defunct and invalid on the basis of misinterpretation. I would like to quote Android, as you have;

'Yotta was asked and replied to several people asking if that weekend was official wartime. His response was a decisive "No".'

This can be interperatted in numberous ways. First of all, he could be referring to 'that weekend', meaning that it could have been directed at a specific weekend, i.e. this weekend. Seccondly, in my interperatation, he is stating that official wartime is not the weekends, because there is no OFFICIAL wartime. If your quote is to be believed, then the decisive "No" disreguards any official wartime, if he is nullifying his original post reguarding weekend wartime.

Reguarding your seccond quote: "As far as the previous weekend not being wartime, if it was, all town plug-ins woud've been froze, as it says in the forums. You should read up as well." - This was taken out of context. Not two sentences later, he saise that people indeed are 'allowed to raid other towns on weekdays'. Raids can be carried out outside of wartime; think realistically. Raids are carried out throughout the world in nations that are not even in a war.

Thirdly; 'Weekend wartime starts next weekend, not htis previous one.' This states that the pluggin associated with said wartime is not working properly; lag issues prevented the Saturday wartime from occuring, coupled with the fact that nations had not 'officially' been founded (yes, hasty villages had been set up, and money had been paid - but nations don't rise in a day).

Is this sufficient clarrification for the Defendant?