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Bill 04.0 - Helvan Trade Pact
10-16-2011, 20:35, (This post was last modified: 10-17-2011, 05:19 by Crashlander04.)
Post: #1
Bill 04.0 - Helvan Trade Pact
I propose that all members of Helvanthar, including all citizens and towns, purchase items )when possible and applicable) within the nation in order to maintain our economy and promote positive interactions among fellow towns. There are several conditions I would like to mention as to make the proposition much more convenient and less confusing:
- if an item is needed, or simply desired, by a citizen or town within the nation, and multiple towns/players are selling these items, the purchaser would be encouraged to buy from the option within the nation.
- the above only applies if the prices set by the fellow citizen are reasonably priced, and fair.
- distance on the server is a negligible factor for Helvanthar if properly prepared. Nether paths, and post-offices (highly recommended to make one) render travel and transportation delays almost non-existent.

eg. Skote11, and TehCthulu are both selling iron ingots 16 for 1g, and Spammuff wants to buy iron. Spammuff would be obligated to buy from Skote11 as he is a citizen of Helvathar.

eg. Let's say that TehCthulu had lower prices, selling iron ingots 16 for 0.75g. Spammuff could still buy from Skote11. Though Spammuff would be sad he had to pay 0.25g more for his purchase, he would still make money from other citizens returning the favour and using his shops (stopping him from being undercut as well).

eg. What if Spammuff now has his iron ingots, and wants slime balls too? If slime balls could not be found for a reasonable price, or were not currently available from a Helvan citizen, Spammuff would be free to do business with TehCthulu.

eg. And God knows skote11 is the only person selling slave- iron ingots within the nation. So he decides to raise the price to 15g per ingot. Under no circumstance whatsoever would other citizens be obligated to buy from his monopoly, as it is an unreasonable price.

It must be considered that, even though items may cost more to buy as undercut price, out-of-nation shops would no longer be available, more customers would (in return) buy from your shops, returning profit to individual citizens. It is not expected that a citizen search through every town in Helvanthar for a possible shop with the designated item, but would instead inquire whether a town's shops include that item if in reasonable range of your location.
This bill would keep money within the nation, increase our economy, and promote positive interaction and activity between towns in our nation.

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Crashlander04,
Skote11,
Android24557,

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10-16-2011, 21:18,
Post: #2
RE: Bill 04.0 - Helvan Trade Pact
(10-16-2011, 20:35)Crashlander04 Wrote: It must be considered that, even though items may cost more to buy as undercut price, out-of-nation shops will no longer be available, more customers would (in return) buy from your shops, returning profit to individual citizens.
This bill would keep money within the nation, increase our economy, and promote positive interaction and activity between towns in our nation.

(signatures not included, Android requested post)

I'm not a fan of this bill. And if in all cases, will argue against it.

I have many reasons for disliking this, and the above is one. As to be so selfish to spend the money among the nation and only say, Hey, we have amazing sells, join us. Basically means you can't be a nomadic town and expect to get trades, seeing as Helvanthar, is the biggest and most active nation.

Its the citizen's gold, let them spend it how they will.
10-16-2011, 21:21, (This post was last modified: 10-17-2011, 01:22 by squiggley1.)
Post: #3
RE: Bill 04.0 - Helvan Trade Pact
I make a LOT of my money by buying and selling goods from other nations and towns for slightly cheaper, by doing thus i help those I buy from and those who buy from me, while at the same time making a couple gold. I am against this bill.

You wot?
10-16-2011, 21:29,
Post: #4
RE: Bill 04.0 - Helvan Trade Pact
(10-16-2011, 21:18)Cell Wrote:
(10-16-2011, 20:35)Crashlander04 Wrote: It must be considered that, even though items may cost more to buy as undercut price, out-of-nation shops will no longer be available, more customers would (in return) buy from your shops, returning profit to individual citizens.
This bill would keep money within the nation, increase our economy, and promote positive interaction and activity between towns in our nation.

(signatures not included, Android requested post)

I'm not a fan of this bill. And if in all cases, will argue against it.

I have many reasons for disliking this, and the above is one. As to be so selfish to spend the money among the nation and only say, Hey, we have amazing sells, join us. Basically means you can't be a nomadic town and expect to get trades, seeing as Helvanthar, is the biggest and most active nation.

Its the citizen's gold, let them spend it how they will.

To stop any abuse taking a toll on the citizen's bank accounts in terms of expensive products, the citizens would be encouraged to buy elsewhere.

Also, we are in fact looking to strengthen the Helvanthian economy, and should only worry about the Helvanthian economy.

I, for one, am in favor of the bill.



And squiggley, I'm glad that you've taken the liberty to express your position, but seeing as you are not actually a member of the House of Commerce, your vote will not count in the end.
10-16-2011, 21:35,
Post: #5
RE: Bill 04.0 - Helvan Trade Pact
This is really none of my business, but I feel like I need too say this:
Don't limit the citizens. People may come up with "Viva La révolution" ideas.

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10-16-2011, 21:39,
Post: #6
RE: Bill 04.0 - Helvan Trade Pact
It hardly limits them seeing as how if the price is too high, they may go elsewhere freely, but if it's the same, why not spend the money domestically?
10-16-2011, 21:41, (This post was last modified: 10-16-2011, 21:41 by Cell.)
Post: #7
RE: Bill 04.0 - Helvan Trade Pact
Android, I can agree with you on the Economy position. But I'm still against the bill. When will the final vote come into play?
10-16-2011, 21:43,
Post: #8
RE: Bill 04.0 - Helvan Trade Pact
When a clear majority has been reached, among the votes of the HoC members of course.
10-16-2011, 21:47,
Post: #9
RE: Bill 04.0 - Helvan Trade Pact
(10-16-2011, 21:39)Android Wrote: It hardly limits them seeing as how if the price is too high, they may go elsewhere freely, but if it's the same, why not spend the money domestically?

I see your point, but what about towns that are far from the rest of Helvanthar? Shouldn't they be able to trade with other nearby towns?
Also, don't forget, people will be people. They might not always see the logic.
They might take this as an insult to their freedom.

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10-16-2011, 22:47,
Post: #10
RE: Bill 04.0 - Helvan Trade Pact
(10-16-2011, 21:47)MainDigger Wrote:
(10-16-2011, 21:39)Android Wrote: It hardly limits them seeing as how if the price is too high, they may go elsewhere freely, but if it's the same, why not spend the money domestically?

I see your point, but what about towns that are far from the rest of Helvanthar? Shouldn't they be able to trade with other nearby towns?
Also, don't forget, people will be people. They might not always see the logic.
They might take this as an insult to their freedom.

Of course, that's always been a worry of mine but hopefully the towns may work together and either use postboxes as a form of trading, or perhaps setting up smaller shops in each other's towns.

We'll have to see whence the other members have voted.


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