Clarification

Riskae · 06-07-2012, 23:03,

Many are confused about Seths town being moved, accusing me of griefing and what not.

Smythie, a day before the event, claimed the town as his (with mod permission) and the next day several of us got permission to begin moving the town in parts using kiwiships.

After spending a few hours moving parts, Android heard of the event and decided it wasn't right then went as far as to pin all the blame for the event on smythie and myself. He stated I should return the town pieces moved and pretty much sacrifice all the resources I put into it. After some argument he consented that it was not my fault and that it would be up to the mods to return the town pieces. So I began to remove the wool from the kiwiship, which I was then berated for and droid told me to put it back, so I began to take the time to put back the wool (my wool), during which asdf attacked me (using meta gained information to do so none the less) killing me while I was attempting to recreate the ship. Now I'm out 14 stacks of wool and several hours of time and still getting berated in game for something I am not responsible for.

So yeah, I don't want any more in game flaming from asdf or out of game pestering by mods after the event for something that isn't my fault. If any of you have a problem with what happened take it up with the mods, that's what they are there for.

Crashlander04 · (This post was last modified: 06-07-2012, 23:21 by Crashlander04.)

I believe the clarification necessary wasn't as per what happened after the situation, but what the exact details and reasoning the moderators and players who asked them for the town gave to justify the movement of the town.

Several stories have been given, and it's generally fair to say that either faulty (edit: or lacking) information was given to moderators in order to obtain permission, certain moderators did not inquire as necessary when given vague information, or certain moderators made a very bad judgement.

There is no reasonable scenario in which this should have happened (in Age I to say the least), leaving somebody at fault.

Riskae · 06-08-2012, 00:17,

(06-07-2012, 23:20)Crashlander04 Wrote: I believe the clarification necessary wasn't as per what happened after the situation, but what the exact details and reasoning the moderators and players who asked them for the town gave to justify the movement of the town.

Several stories have been given, and it's generally fair to say that either faulty (edit: or lacking) information was given to moderators in order to obtain permission, certain moderators did not inquire as necessary when given vague information, or certain moderators made a very bad judgement.

There is no reasonable scenario in which this should have happened (in Age I to say the least), leaving somebody at fault.

That is not true, the moderators were given accurate information, as is to my knowledge, they came in person then approved Smyhties ownership of the town. No one was mislead up to that point.

This thread is necessary because people are still asking me about it like it's my fault when it is not. My only part was assisting in the moving of the town, all else was handled by others and yet I am still receiving the majority of the blame. It wasn't even my idea. I don't deny that it was someones fault, however I will not take the blame for something that I am not responsible for.

Crashlander04 · 06-08-2012, 00:38,

(06-08-2012, 00:17)Riskae Wrote:
(06-07-2012, 23:20)Crashlander04 Wrote: I believe the clarification necessary wasn't as per what happened after the situation, but what the exact details and reasoning the moderators and players who asked them for the town gave to justify the movement of the town.

Several stories have been given, and it's generally fair to say that either faulty (edit: or lacking) information was given to moderators in order to obtain permission, certain moderators did not inquire as necessary when given vague information, or certain moderators made a very bad judgement.

There is no reasonable scenario in which this should have happened (in Age I to say the least), leaving somebody at fault.

That is not true, the moderators were given accurate information, as is to my knowledge, they came in person then approved Smyhties ownership of the town. No one was mislead up to that point.

In several stories I have heard that the town was believed to have been the property of NLewis and Pwolbart's, and being banned left the town unclaimed. I have also heard the same thing of it being mistaken for Ian's town. Not only was this town blatantly within proximity of Solitude, and therefore should have been assumed as the town's property, but it was ignored that NLewis and Pwolbart's in-game property was handed down to Asdf and Seth as of their banning. However, if a block check had occurred it would have been discovered that only skote had ever built on that structure. In any above case, it should have been realized that the structure was not unclaimed property in which to be dismantled and flown away.

Therefore the information could not have been accurate. To say that it was abandoned, while sitting so closely to such an active town, is ignorant of anybody who claimed so.

As faulty as the judgement of any moderator was in this scenario, regardless of evidence or facts presented, if whomever asked for the moderator's permission can not say (honestly) that they legitimately believed the town to be abandoned, did accurate research into the structure's history, and told the moderators utterly accurate information, then they should be considered responsible for the dilemma.

Simply saying you* were misinformed when you* made no in-depth attempt to find out the applicable information does not relieve you* of responsibility or make you* innocent from all fault.

*When I write 'you', I mean the term as a generalization of perpetration, not specifically Riskae.

sethd13 · 06-08-2012, 00:46,

first of all it's skotes town
second that is straight up bullshit that smythie claimed the town. i can't walk into eon and just blow it up because i "claimed" it
third we didn't meta seeing as we saw you two flying away with pieces of skotes town, we had the right and duty to take you down.
in what way is what you did ok. please tell me your RP for this.

Third Eye · (07-14-2012, 13:30)

Of course you can't just claim it. It is already documented as somebody's town. That somebody is not you.

Riskae, also didn't do anything wrong. He was told that it was Smythies town and that he could move it. Also Smythie didn't do anything wrong either. Smythie was told that he was the owner of the town. Makes sense so far? Ok, then lets continue. The mods aren't at fault either. Skote didn't claim his town. The town was going to be moved back, Riskae was dismantling his ship. Mods told him to put it back together, Asdf killed him (Meta possible involved). He doesn't need RP, his RP is Smythie needed help moving the town. Smythie's RP is, he wanted to move the town that he was told that he owned. End of discussion.

Android · (This post was last modified: 06-08-2012, 01:37 by Android.)

Considering this shouldn't have happened, and since I forced you guys/tristo to move the ships back to their rightful places in the town, I'm going to go ahead and say that we can go ahead and pretend it didn't happen RP-wise either. This is of course due to moderator and administrator intervention.

I have reason to believe that tristo and party were misinformed, being told that Smythie owned a town near Solitude, or something of the like. Either way, tristo should have gotten on, if he wasn't already, and see what was going on exactly.

Miscommunication, whether it be on purpose or not, was clearly the problem here, and for that we are sorry. In no way should someone's town be 'claimable' when they still have clear ownership over it.

sethd13 · (08-21-2012, 03:16)

pardon my french but what the fuck are you talking about. smythie wasn't told it was his he said so and then griefed SKOTES town. does skote have to reclaim his town every time someone comes online? and riskea was flying AWAY from skotes town when we( both asdf and i) killed him. there was no meta involved i saw the massive ship and had massive lag and saw it in my minimal (rei's) don't patronize people thinking you can end discussions at the end of your post without rebuttal.

btw that was aimed towards funny cop not you droid <3

Cell · (This post was last modified: 06-08-2012, 01:37 by Cell.)

Seth, for god sake, shut up. For one, I hate reading your forum posts with incorrect use of grammar, and little to no capitalization/punctuation. If you are going to take the time of your day to berate someone on the forums, I suggest using that time a little better and taking your local summer school English class. Sorry to be so blunt, but I have had it trying to decipher your messages.

On the topic of the town. Leave Riskae alone, and drop the whole thing. Android just stated that everything was a misunderstanding, and was returned to normal. Act like it never happened. Riskae had the decency to actually come out on the forums and explain the matter to stop the constant blame on him. They asked a moderator, and they were "wrongly" informed on the matter. Everything is better now, requesting a lock.