Aggresive griefing in eywind lands

[tristo999]

Hello everyone!
I am here to talk about a aggersive spawnkilling and griefing of the viking town eywind lands.
First i would like to know. How they can kill and break blocks using lava,fire,picks,and there hands in our protected town on a monday?
Secounds. Is it legal to spawn kill in general. i mean theres nothing you can do to stop the wrath of 5 diamond swords and lava.
I am accusing Airlinz, Zupzup,Infernai,Th3ninja,and mabye dc i think he was tricked. Into griefing our town during a monday.
Heres picture proof
http://s1141.photobucket.com/albums/n597/tristo999/
if you dont belive me from that. then ask us vikings questions and we will tell you what happened.
Also i would like our town restored due to us losing hard work on this town

[Infarei]

Hey, mates.
Everything I'm about to address is stated from my own personal understandings of Kiwike 2.0 rules and opinions. I'm in no way representing any of the other 4 defendants. All references to the rules I discuss in this post can be found here: http://kiwike.se/whitelist.

I ask that moderators examine proof over being persuaded by the 'aggressive facts' provided by the disapproving Jigglypuff. I will be picking through everything stated by the original poster.

Now for the meat & potatoes:

'Aggressive' Spawnkilling
- Spawning is only mentioned within two areas of the rules post. The first being in "The Idea" section, which simply states Mavenholm as a spawn point, and the "Donations" section, which allows Diamond and Gold donors to use /Mavenholm or /home to teleport to a preset spawning area.
- Spawnkilling, as mentioned by the original poster, is questionable due to the lack of rules on the subject. If spawnkilling were to occur, no one would be at fault because the terms we've agreed to does not state it as illegal. ( I recommend making an amendment in the future.)
- If you read the chat bar in picture 4 of Tristo999's link, you will notice that the towny plugin states that PvP is not registered. Therefore, "The wrath of 5 diamond swords" could not be released upon anyone within the affected capital. (Also, if you take a closer look at all 8 pictures, only 1 diamond sword can be found; The owner being Kevo_.)

'Aggressive' Griefing (Via block removal)
- Block removal is first mentioned in "The Idea" section. It states that towns get block protection when not at war. Of course, however, the Vikings of Eywind and the Helvanthar Republic are currently at war. War declarations can be found here: http://kiwike.se/forum/showthread.php?tid=481.
- There is no refined definition for wartime. "The Idea" section states that war can take place at anytime, but usually takes place during the weekend. However, the "War" section states that Kiwike wartime is always on the weekend. The mixed message of usually and always can create confusion amongst the ranks of nations, as is obvious from current events.
- The "General Rules" section states that wartime griefing is acceptable. I, for one, was under the assumption that these rules applied due to our current war.
- Our ability alone to destroy blocks at the time adds to the confusion, and reinforces our assumption that war was, indeed, being waged. (Remember that towns get block protection when not at war.)

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~Photos dissected~
Photo 1 - Minor damage, proof of fire (origin unknown), obsidian stone proof of water/lava meeting.
Photo 2 - No further damage. Proof of lava, more fire.
Photo 3 - No visible damage. Nothing of concern.
Photo 4 - Proof of water/lava meeting. Minor gate damage. Chat box proof used for Airlinz's banning.
Photo 5 - Clear lack of respect by Tristo999 against raiders in chat box. No visible damage.
Photo 6 - Minor damage. Proof of water.
Photo 7 - Tristo999 on fire. Proof of water. Possible damage (Or pre-raid architecture?)
Photo 8 - Proof of water. Minor damage. Airilinz strutting and not giving a single fuck that day.

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~Finger pointing~

Lava was used by both nations, I was personally affected when the gate was blocked by lava flow from a viking's bucket. Fire was used by both nations, initially by the vikings. Surprisingly, Tristo999 was the first to show us this tactic. Fortunately for us, he wasn't the only person to bring a gun to a bat fight.

I am available for questioning, as the vikings are. Helvanthar's capital was repaired without mod intervention when raided previously.
(On a side note; I snickered when I read the original poster's signature.)
- Infarei

P.S. Today is Tuesday.

[SirSuba]

First off Cool story on the snicker, when someone abuses complete server rules we don't ignore. Second off, everyone was there and have photo evidence. Third off wartime is only on saturdays as it has been said, and you are not allowed to grief ever. Ever. I have been cleaning up their attack since I got back on and if thats not griefing I don't know what is. Every house was destroyed in some way. Entire buildings are in shambles. There are tunnels running under the town. Obsidian was placed in town. Water is everywhere, and i've had to clean that up. You can see Airlinz holding lava in that picture. Also what are you talking about? this wasn't some petty attack. Our town is destroyed and we have to completely rebuild. All because of some self prolaimed war gods on a mission to destroy for nothing. Oh theres ninja holding a flint and steel and now half the towns on fire! Griefing is griefing, and It was done.

[Cerce]

Today's tuesday? FRICK, I missed another trash day...

[SirSuba]

[tuxman007]

I agree totally with SirSuba.

What happened monday (and today, I might add) was griefing, and could be seen in no other way.

Let me explain this: The plug ins in the game are set up so that we can't attack each other in town, yet they still come in and fuck our shit up.

Now, if they were allowed to attack, why can't we just kill eachother outright? Clearly we aren't supposed to. but then why are they allowed to grief? Answer me this first.

Secondly, if spawnkilling didn't happen, I don't know what did. Players went into my house next to my bed, killed me, killed me when I respawned, then left magma in the area they knew I would respawn. I had to die multiple times just to clean it up. If your definition of spawn killing is something different from what happened, then your mind is fucked up.

The post Infarei made is full of shit, and he is a liar. He was there, and they all griefed like motherfuckers.

[Cerce]

I would like to point out also that in midevil times, boiling/flaming oil (tar?) was used as a defencive weapon. In theory, this could be simulated in minecraft by using lava. I'd leave if this simulation is valid or not up to you mods. Also, there were multiple times in history where entire cities were burned to the ground. At one point in time, there was a nation that went to war with the Romans. The Romans hated this nation so much that they completely demolished a city of said nation, raped and killed virtually every person there, and as a final insult salted the fields so that no-one could ever live there again. The name of the nation eludes me, but I know that that happened. Also, are you familiar with the term 'Total War'? Look it up. Not trying to take any sides, just stating my two cents.

[SirSuba]

While both of those things are real things, neither of them have to do with the situation. They used it as offensive, of course you could use it as defensive. Also they did not have rules in medival times by how to play the server. If there was a free griefing rule i'd just tell the vikings to destroy everything, and this server would suck. I don't tell them this because if you cheat, you get banned. The rules are here for a reason.

[Cerce]

Good point, Suba. I thought it was defencive, as Infarei said that tristo 'showed them this tactic first'. Thought that he was in defending Eyvind with lava.

On a completely unrelated subject, are we allowed to use TNT cannons to 'siege' cities? No, I'm not going to, as I don't currently have the TNT to make one, but I want to know for future use. God, taht would be epic... But imho, it'd be even more epic to be on the defending side, dodging incomming cannon shells, etc. Kinda like taht time I roleplayed on a sinking ship map in classic, that was fun, even when I lost.

[SirSuba]

I believe so.... I mean I don't think theres any rule against it Green light on the canons!