Southern Coalition - No Raiding Appeal

Crashlander04 · 04-29-2012, 14:49,

It's one thing to complain about raids, but when a town is in open (RP) conflict with a group of people - and have done near nothing to stop it (in RP), and then say 'This is ruining the server, and our gameplay' it just seems ridiculous. To say it is one-sided is also just petty lying, considering both sides are to blame for the conflict - but it is, apparently, only one that is well-armed and suited to raid. If you live in constant fear, are dirt poor, and can't get anything built because of constant raiding, then you may want to assess and act on the RP reason for them raiding you - not simply say 'I don't like that reason! Non-RP Killing!!22!'.

Though these raiders may seem to simply enjoy senseless violence, there is no reason they should have to clarify a new RP reason with a mod simply because they raid a lot. They [Southern Coalition] do, as of this moment, have a longstanding RP conflict with Coras (even if/when the Sunbeards, and the official nation halt support for raids) - which to any unbiased eyes should seem a perfectly fair reason to raid.

[Disclaimer] HOWEVER, I do not want there to be raids. I want everybody to be at peace and have happy, loving nations and live happily ever after without greed, violence, or noobs.

Crazylol5 · (This post was last modified: 04-29-2012, 15:00 by Crazylol5.)

Seriously, it's not that hard to make peace with people. Have a NORMAL meeting and give in to the enemies needs. Why give in? Because the enemy is clearly stronger. If you do not want to give in, mine, fight back. Or even move to a safe town if you're a citizen. It's not that hard.
Example:

You organize a peace meeting where everyone acts normal and you have a good chat, giving the Southern Coalition some of your recourses to make peace. Bam. Done.

Your reputation with the Southern Coalition has increased by 9001.

Also, there is not a really good reason to ban them from raiding here, IMO.

Smythie · 04-29-2012, 15:45,

Revamped didn't get off to a very good start did it? It was comprised of people who wanted to make towns and then there was the other side, the people who wanted to halt the progress of the towns and take all their materials. I'm glad to see something is actually being done to balance the two and bring them together because if you guys can't constantly raid you will use the time to do something else. I think it's a good rule that the raids should be put under control and supervised. I also think a rule needs to be laid out explaining exactly what a raid can comprise of because it seems to be a bit unclear. Like yesterday for instance Ian and giratina were supposedly raiding but they were just running around on the walls and roofs of buildings. In my opinion this isn't a raid and they should have been removed but in their opinion it may have been. If we have a rule to go on then there wouldn't be this kind of confusion or conflict of opinions.

Cell · 04-29-2012, 16:19,

If you believe it is such a good rule, then it should be put on everyone, not just a small group of people.

Leech · (This post was last modified: 04-29-2012, 16:36 by Leech.)

(04-29-2012, 14:07)Cell Wrote: I have yet to see a complaint about it protecting Giratina from one of us.

Never said you were. I said that's what people would think if we only did this to Giratina and NLewis, the 2 people who raided constantly yesterday

(04-29-2012, 14:07)Cell Wrote: I'm just trying to get a few things straight here.
This is not an appeal for those that participated in the recent raid on an un-named town. I have no idea what happened there, and its not my position to defend it. This is for those that had nothing to do with that at all, those that logged on restricted, with no idea why.

This raid yesterday did have a lot to do with it. It was generally agreed that raids like that shouldn't be happening, and that this is a better way to deal with it instead of a hard limit. If you disagree, I would bring that up with Droid

(04-29-2012, 14:07)Cell Wrote: The most I have heard on this situation is because of the "excessive" raiding, which, was never spoken of. The only thing that has been confronted by moderators, if my memory serves correctly, is the fact that we stood in a single place for too long. Not because of multiple attacks in a day.

We've had that happen several times that people would stay too long, and many times some of them would either not directly leave or would come back soon after.

Oh yeah, and the RP behind it was pretty shoddy

(04-29-2012, 14:59)Crazylol5 Wrote: Seriously, it's not that hard to make peace with people. Have a NORMAL meeting and give in to the enemies needs. Why give in? Because the enemy is clearly stronger. If you do not want to give in, mine, fight back. Or even move to a safe town if you're a citizen. It's not that hard.
Example:

You organize a peace meeting where everyone acts normal and you have a good chat, giving the Southern Coalition some of your recourses to make peace. Bam. Done.

Your reputation with the Southern Coalition has increased by 9001.

Also, there is not a really good reason to ban them from raiding here, IMO.

I have tried to make peace honestly as much as possible. They use outlandish demands and RP propoganda to stop that from happening. I've had multiple meetings with them. When I met with you, it was easy. We said "Okay, this is beneficial to both of us", set out some terms, and everything was said and done. I've tried meeting with the Sunbeards. The only way they will do peace is for Coras to step done, or that we pay some outlandish sum of money.
It's clear they aren't all that eager for peace. The meetings are often made with them masked and armored. Is that how you meet with people? One meeting gone wrong, we found that many had raiding supplies. Seems like peace to me. Peace is something that should be straight forward, but the leaders of the Sunbeards don't want it to be.

(04-29-2012, 16:19)Cell Wrote: If you believe it is such a good rule, then it should be put on everyone, not just a small group of people.

I wouldn't care. I've got enough RP reasoning for me to not be worried about it

(04-29-2012, 14:49)Crashlander04 Wrote: It's one thing to complain about raids, but when a town is in open (RP) conflict with a group of people - and have done near nothing to stop it (in RP), and then say 'This is ruining the server, and our gameplay' it just seems ridiculous. To say it is one-sided is also just petty lying, considering both sides are to blame for the conflict - but it is, apparently, only one that is well-armed and suited to raid. If you live in constant fear, are dirt poor, and can't get anything built because of constant raiding, then you may want to assess and act on the RP reason for them raiding you - not simply say 'I don't like that reason! Non-RP Killing!!22!'.

Though these raiders may seem to simply enjoy senseless violence, there is no reason they should have to clarify a new RP reason with a mod simply because they raid a lot. They [Southern Coalition] do, as of this moment, have a longstanding RP conflict with Coras (even if/when the Sunbeards, and the official nation halt support for raids) - which to any unbiased eyes should seem a perfectly fair reason to raid.

[Disclaimer] HOWEVER, I do not want there to be raids. I want everybody to be at peace and have happy, loving nations and live happily ever after without greed, violence, or noobs.

There's RP reasoning for a raid. Not as much as they did though. It was ruining my gameplay. I was pretty fucking pissed off. Also, where's the RP reasoning in mostly killing me? The main person in the group to try to end the senseless violence. Seems like random violence to me. Crash, if you want to tell me that attacking almost every 10 minutes from 8 AM to 1 PM and later is a good strategy, then you need to get your act together

Cell · (This post was last modified: 04-29-2012, 18:15 by Cell.)

(04-29-2012, 04:32)Cell Wrote: If at all possible, I would just like to hear from a moderators, and or admins point of view, not of the affected so we do not get any flaming in here.

So far all I have heard is opinions on this situation, what thoughts by the affected players, and the occasional opinion. I have not heard of a solid reason for this to be placed, nor have I heard from a member of the staff on this situation. Now, all I ask is that those that were affected by the raids, Leech, Smythie, etc., to not post. I know this usually does not work, and Leech in your case you can testify that I have attempted to make peace between you and the raiders.
I just want the reason that this was placed, not any opinions.

Requesting Lock. I have found out what I need to do to resolve this, and it does not involve the forums.
Thanks.

MainDigger · (This post was last modified: 04-29-2012, 18:23 by MainDigger.)

This all really word against word.
People can't pass good judgement without knowing all the details. Some people say there were hours between the raids and some people say there was mere minutes between the raids. It's hard to form a valid opinion.

As for the RP reason of the raids, I say it's legit.
Either the followers of Coras get succumb and try to make peace, or they get raided again and again. Or they move away.

I'd rather have this all settled in an RP manner than some people fighting on the forums.

Oh, Cell did his edit while I was typing my reply. And this thread was all one big flamefest anyway.
Lock request accepted.