Major grief of Kiwiship by asdf and seth.

Spammuff · 07-24-2012, 19:34,

Agreed.

asdfasdflkjty911 · 07-24-2012, 19:43,

Ok. I'm just going to write in order of how it went down. (From my side)

-Ship crashes, Bvc gets in contact with Android (I was not online or it was over PM, basically I did not see this conversation). Bvc says Android said it belongs to him (Bvc).
-We are sad, but agree cuz what else are we gonna do. So we do nothing and wait for someone to come do it (considering none of us at the time had a license, we couldn't move it, and Bvc never came to talk about it, just sneak around the town in armor looking like a threat. (Seth did actually have a license, he forgot about it, he did have to go back and renew it as well.)
-Yotta gets on and Bvc talks to him about the situation. At first Yotta says we own it (as it turns out that was the decision from before, just never put into the rules, or am I mistaken here?).
-After further descution with Bvc, Yotta tells him they will help him out. (Never really being clear on what that meant EXACTLY, but it was going in Bvc's favor.)
-Android gets on and talks with us in person at the ship (Sort of talks, I guess he was in the call with Yotters at the same time and was quite distracted), we tell him our side of the story (I had told him more/same stuff on Teamspeak the previous night, he didnt reply much and never said yes or no to either side).
-After a little bit of discusion, android tells me we own it. Which I'm guessing was the FINAL decision in that skype call.

Like I said in the previous points against Bvc's reply against my first reply... (replyseption) I believe this rule was also very similar in 2.0, ship crashes in town, it belongs to them. It wasn't official however, but that is how I remember it after Nova.

Cell, you really have to see the ship and what we have done to it, it actually looks really nice. None of us wanted to fly an enemies ship around, and our IC decision was to have it destroyed in the barens. Now, we could have taken the whole thing appart and used the material elsewhere, BUT we wanted to actually have the fall of their capital ship to be an RP momento of our war. Of all the things we could have done with it, (dismantle it, have it sitting somewhere for no better use, ext) this was the best choice. This way you can still identify it as their ship, it looks good where it is, adds more RP elements in our town, and creates something everyone can go to and look at. We have signs with "trivial" facts on them about our "Midland War". We did not want to just hand it back if the final decision was that we own it (to our knowledge), because then they would use it against us (Wether thats them using it to raid again, or them flying above their towns and hiding in it.

TL Grin

R Our characters did not want to hand back their ship so we crash landed it in the barens in front of our town. Added a lot of RP features, and made it look like an actual crash site.

Cell · 07-24-2012, 20:11,

I'm just going off of information I have Asdf. As for the whole "Burnt", etc, I thought you just crashed it for lol's. I agree that if a ship is crashed in a town, its that towns if they so please. Most of us from 2.0 know this rule, but seeing as a good portion of the population, including bvc, are not from 2.0, they only know of the "You can't steal ships". If you'd like to know the truth, the best way to solve this is RP, the return of the ship, and a rule change.
What I mean by RP is that since he crashed it, he is to retrieve it, but you can't steal it. Therefore meaning, you are welcome to guard the ship with your lives, and the only way he can get it back is if he gets aboard it and flies away, that doesn't mean you own it, it is still his, but it would be a good middle ground. Yes, no?

bvcxzmn · 07-24-2012, 20:37,

Yes, that's how I felt too! Azn

^ Also, the better decision would be to have it "sitting somewhere for no better use", that way it could still be recovered and actually have a better use! It's a kiwiship! It has a purpose other than just sitting and looking pretty!

I've investigated the ruins of the ship, and there's pretty much no recovering it; even if there wasn't still block protection on 75% of the ship. The only two options for recovering it now is either rebuilding it, or getting asdf and co. to spend like an hour plus repairing it it so I can fly it off (which i would be pleasantly surprised if they did). I don't know what's going to happen on this topic from here, but I might as well start construction on a new kiwiship.

sethd13 · 07-24-2012, 21:05,

Yea I was thinking scorched earth the whole time. Enemy vehicle,we don't need it,let's burn it.
Ooc I am very sorry for your loss, but you made a mistake by:
1:crashing 3 ships into our town......
2:never asking us directly and covertly atttempting to steal ships back.

Cell · 07-24-2012, 21:23,

Like we said Seth. This was never in the rules, those that didn't play in 2.0 didn't know of the unofficial rule. As for the ship being destroyed, come a decision, its should either be rolled back, or Asdf and co. should have to repair it, seeing as they destroyed it. Which, might I add, is the reason that the rule that stealing was illegal was put in. So people couldn't just take ships and destroy them rather than use them.

asdfasdflkjty911 · 07-24-2012, 22:53,

No Cell, it was so they couldnt DISMANTLE ships, as thats what Nova had done on 2.0 to get this rule put in place. We did NOT dismantle the ship. We dont have chests filled with items from this ship. The ship lies in the front of our town. As a "Momento".

Crashlander04 · 07-24-2012, 23:05,

I say we go by RP here, and let the people who took the crashed ship do what they want with it.

I understand the theft of kiwiships for the purpose of grief is unfair, but for the purpose of RP, theft alone should be legalized. The destruction of ships within RP makes perfect sense too, but the grief rules would apply like any building I guess (break even menial blocks and you're banned forever).

If you aren't willing to lose a ship [much the same as diamond armor], don't bother flying it into enemy territory.

asdfasdflkjty911 · (This post was last modified: 07-24-2012, 23:16 by asdfasdflkjty911.)

Kiwiship RP: Captian is dead, ship floats to the ground unharmed and ready to go again.

Real Kiwiship RP: Captain is dead, ship falls to its doom in barns of town, hull ripped apart, rails missing, debres all over land.

Cell · 07-24-2012, 23:16,

That is the ship? And you say it is not griefed? I agree, it is beyond slight repair and take off.
I'm just going off of the information I have available. And although I full hearty agree with you Crash, you shouldn't fly the ship if you don't want to loose it, the rules were different. You can read the rules and it would say "No stealing", but it does not say that if you loose your ship outside/inside a town, that it belongs to said town. I agree, that it should, and the rules should be changed, but at that moment in time, there was no way for them to know about it. Even if they read the rules three or four times.