People vs. bowser, how did it happen?

[thornax]

My reasoning: Rumors of incompetant and oppressive/dishonorable leadership along with many calls to arms from allies and friends.

So you and many other people attack the oppressed people under bowser and take their valuables? This is to benefit them in what way?

We only killed bowser and those who attacked us, or were prepare to fight us. If they had a diamond sword out, then ran away upon seeing our numbers, it is generally accepted that they meant to do us harm.

Still, protests would be ENTIRELY more effective. If I waltzed into on of the settlements and said "Hey, this dude is opressing you, we can give you something better", it would by SO MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE. There is no reason to say "These people are opressing their citizens, let's make the citizens miserable"

we would have war anyway. I believe, and these are almost exact words, Yeah, but seriously taking more members = war that's that. By your dear Riskae. so saying that they should come join us would also lead to war. maybe we just wanted to get the element or suprise. now I can't argue with all of you at once. so can we please get a skype call going?

[yottabyte]

Yes, bowser please ditch the telepathy thing as it's pretty much just an excuse for metagaming.
However, it seems like the only practical use you've had for it is to get yourself and your nation into trouble, and Crash and his alliances seem to enjoy this. I think that is enough punishment.

Some of you were asking about the logs, these are some messages I found around the time of the last raid

Thornax: msg asdfasdflkjty911 now is the time to go to war!
Skote: msg asdfasdflkjty911 thornax and squig are supposedly going to raid bowser aswell because they hate him
asdf: msg squiggley1 Are you preparing a war with Bowser soon?

Again, what made me question it the most was skote's message but it seems like it's all been sorted out in this thread.


And for the record, no I don't look at private conversations normally, I was just very curious about how this whole raiding thing started.

[thornax]

could we please direct some attention to my ban appeal thread? I figured while y'all were on...

[Smythie]

So what conclusion have we come to?

[Leech]

My reasoning: Rumors of incompetant and oppressive/dishonorable leadership along with many calls to arms from allies and friends.

So you and many other people attack the oppressed people under bowser and take their valuables? This is to benefit them in what way?

We only killed bowser and those who attacked us, or were prepare to fight us. If they had a diamond sword out, then ran away upon seeing our numbers, it is generally accepted that they meant to do us harm.

Still, protests would be ENTIRELY more effective. If I waltzed into on of the settlements and said "Hey, this dude is opressing you, we can give you something better", it would by SO MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE. There is no reason to say "These people are opressing their citizens, let's make the citizens miserable"

we would have war anyway. I believe, and these are almost exact words, Yeah, but seriously taking more members = war that's that. By your dear Riskae. so saying that they should come join us would also lead to war. maybe we just wanted to get the element or suprise. now I can't argue with all of you at once. so can we please get a skype call going?

we were attempting to create peace afterwards. We had planned to talk to you that we wanted peace, but we didn't want to have this threat of member's being taken. That message of Riskae, which can't be taken into an RP context as it was a PM, was not advised by other members. I am ready for a Skype call, but Calum isn't on and I don't have on you Skype.

[thornax]

Well I think at this point all we would be doing is trying to sort out RP things in OOC context. so I take back the thing about the skype call, unless Yotta or some other admin still has a problem.

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I have to go to dinner in 5 minutes. so unless yotta wants to wrap this up now, I will gladly discuss it later. because in an RP context we are not in the wrong

[Smythie]

Thornax I beg to differ

[thornax]

than we can talk about it later. I'll post in this thread when I'm back

[Crashlander04]

In the future, I will attempt to make a better, more clear reasoning for future actions as to not confuse anybody further.

I hope everybody else can concur.

[Leech]

Well, since this thread is about the raids, can we discuss the legality of Cop Griefing?