Non-rp killing - broader rules clarification and discussion requested

[iDieForEXP]

Good idea Giratina.

[FinnBalto]

Good idea Giratina.

I'd have concerns that this (removing messages via /msg) would only further impede those who are willing to follow the rules, while having little to no impact on those who are using out-of-game resources for communication, as is beneficial in most any game with a PvP option. I expect it would tip things further in the favor of those focusing on PvP.

At some point there has to be some level of trust in the players. Rules and restrictions will not stop people from doing certain things, and can (and have, and will) in fact be abused by those who claim to be following them, such as what I expect the above suggestion would actually be, in practice.

It is when that trust is broken, repeatedly, despite warnings, that there is a problem. Adding more rules adds a burden to those trying to follow the spirit of the site, while having little impact on those who disregard the rules already in place.

For those people, it's simple to me. Ask them to follow the rules, in spirit. That is the important part, the letter is largely irrelevant. If they cannot or will not, they will become detrimental to play on the server, and when that spirit is ignored repeatedly, flagrantly, by the same people, then it's simply a matter of removing those who refuse to play by the rules as set forth on this site. There will be wailing, complaining, and then they will go away, and those who want to "play nice" (not to be confused with no PvP, mind you) can have the experience they expected here.

[Cerce]

Again; I applaud you, Finn.

[theonedoctor]

I disagree, there are always more creative options that are available, Life is no defined by a,c,d. There could be an "AB" or "AC", somewhere between the two, or even an option you did not consider "Z".
These aren't the only options that kiwike has.

What are they then? I am sorry all you have told me was that none of them were the option but you did not gave me another option that i failed to consider

[Cerce]

I disagree, there are always more creative options that are available, Life is no defined by a,c,d. There could be an "AB" or "AC", somewhere between the two, or even an option you did not consider "Z".
These aren't the only options that kiwike has.

What are they then? I am sorry all you have told me was that none of them were the option but you did not gave me another option that i failed to consider

Well, recently, I have contacted the administration with a list of suggestions from my point of view regarding the general mood of the server, and how rules should be addressed. Here's the response I received (With personal editing; I don't want to exactly give out what the administration may or may not be doing - just know that they are doing something, they are doing it soon, and they are doing it with further RP-oriented decisions in mind):

Yea, I know, you guys are busy - but could I get some feedback? I like to know what is and isn't liked, so I can further help with future suggestions.

Since yotta's sick and doesn't want to work (or so he says!), I'll go ahead and reply. We have indeed made the decision to move towards the RP end of the spectrum when it comes to the way Kiwike is run. As of now, the plan is to sit down and talk over the rules, adding to and removing from. This will have to occur when I return from vacation though, don't have the best internet connection out here.

Thank you, Cerce, for the various suggestions. They have all been noted by the staff as a whole and will continue to be discussed further.

Also, I managed to take a look at the (Server name removed in compliance with Kiwike rules) server and their rules. I rather like the sort of broadness they have going on, and they summarize quite well what it right and what is wrong. Clearly, we don't plan on copying their rules, nor have we even decided to take from it whatsoever, but thank you nonetheless for the reference.

[leowester]

Well you can't really have a strict RP server when 90% of peoples important judgements and what to do are based entirely on Non - IC reasoning , (Leowester leaving because we make fun of him in skype). That is OOC And shouldn't effect his in - game decisioning but it does. The way I see it you could make it more strict RP by disabling messaging. This will ensure that people actually have to travel , send letters and won't just do /msg Hey meet me at X: , Z:
Just an idea.

Well Im not denying that skype played a part in my decesion, but I also left because I was tired of you guys raiding everyday. A large amount of the server disaproves of the excessive raiding and I also take that stand. I mean after you knew that people like bowser had little to nothing, you still would go hourly to "take resources: in which they clearly didnt have.

[iDieForEXP]

I realize that disabling messaging wouldn't sole the problem. I was just agreeing with him cause I like letters

[Pwol]

Well you can't really have a strict RP server when 90% of peoples important judgements and what to do are based entirely on Non - IC reasoning , (Leowester leaving because we make fun of him in skype). That is OOC And shouldn't effect his in - game decisioning but it does. The way I see it you could make it more strict RP by disabling messaging. This will ensure that people actually have to travel , send letters and won't just do /msg Hey meet me at X: , Z:
Just an idea.

Well Im not denying that skype played a part in my decesion, but I also left because I was tired of you guys raiding everyday. A large amount of the server disaproves of the excessive raiding and I also take that stand. I mean after you knew that people like bowser had little to nothing, you still would go hourly to "take resources: in which they clearly didnt have.

Counting that Bowser walked in to Solitude with protection IV diamond armor, they still have plenty locked away. They just never fight back, instead use the mods to keep us away.

[Leech]

Well you can't really have a strict RP server when 90% of peoples important judgements and what to do are based entirely on Non - IC reasoning , (Leowester leaving because we make fun of him in skype). That is OOC And shouldn't effect his in - game decisioning but it does. The way I see it you could make it more strict RP by disabling messaging. This will ensure that people actually have to travel , send letters and won't just do /msg Hey meet me at X: , Z:
Just an idea.

Well Im not denying that skype played a part in my decesion, but I also left because I was tired of you guys raiding everyday. A large amount of the server disaproves of the excessive raiding and I also take that stand. I mean after you knew that people like bowser had little to nothing, you still would go hourly to "take resources: in which they clearly didnt have.

Counting that Bowser walked in to Solitude with protection IV diamond armor, they still have plenty locked away. They just never fight back, instead use the mods to keep us away.

He had spent a long time getting that, saving it for only when he could use it. Also, I have almost 0 diamonds

[Crashlander04]

Well you can't really have a strict RP server when 90% of peoples important judgements and what to do are based entirely on Non - IC reasoning , (Leowester leaving because we make fun of him in skype). That is OOC And shouldn't effect his in - game decisioning but it does. The way I see it you could make it more strict RP by disabling messaging. This will ensure that people actually have to travel , send letters and won't just do /msg Hey meet me at X: , Z:
Just an idea.

Well Im not denying that skype played a part in my decesion, but I also left because I was tired of you guys raiding everyday. A large amount of the server disaproves of the excessive raiding and I also take that stand. I mean after you knew that people like bowser had little to nothing, you still would go hourly to "take resources: in which they clearly didnt have.

Counting that Bowser walked in to Solitude with protection IV diamond armor, they still have plenty locked away. They just never fight back, instead use the mods to keep us away.

He had spent a long time getting that, saving it for only when he could use it. Also, I have almost 0 diamonds

I am sad for poor Leech