Oranges44's Ban Appeal (2)

[asdfasdflkjty911]

I have never seen ANY RP between us and pwol/Nlewis besides our previous peace agreement, of which at the time they broke because someone had "shiny armor". I heard they backed out of SC. And now what? They're gonna continue to betray and nonrp.

Nlewis and Pwol are about the only ones that didn't back out of the SC.

Friend went to their towns few days ago and saw a sign on their message board saying "we are no longer part of the sc", and then they talked about it and other stuff and he left.

[smellityet]

I thought the purpose of this Rule is to make sure we RP. Well we are, he just forgot to get permission. I don't see how this is worth a one week ban.

They're gonna continue to betray and nonrp.

I've never even heard Giratina roleplay. The least I've heard from Nlewis and Pwol are, "Hello there!" right before attacking me. There hasn't been a single time when there has been so much as a capture of a barbarian, or citizens taken as hostiles. Where's the RP? Barbarians don't slay 100% of an entire town. It gets to the point where powergaming is more of a roleplay because you aren't killing them on sight.

If everyone could roleplay more and behave like a real inhabitant of Kiwike, then we'd call you roleplayers of barbarians, rather than barbaric roleplayers.

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This part is off topic. Read it for fun.

***Tristo looks upon smellityet's post and frowns. He picks up the sword of the Biased Breaker and slashes smellityet in the chest removing all biased from the land once more. Giratina156 once more can see a way to freedom.***

If this is your counter-arguement, then I suppose I'll counter-counter-argue. First off, we're all biased. This is a debate, which means that anyone who posts is on one side or another. The only neutral people here are the ones not posting.
Also, if you want to "lore" battle, then I will.
***Smellityet is reincarnated and forgives Tristo. A spirit in the lands of Kiwike comes to Tristo, eats his last cookie out of his cookie jar, and opens the all windows in his house hoping he might get a cold. Smellityet tries to explain to the spirit that Tristo isn't bad, but the spirit cannot hear.***

[tristo999]

I like you. You are a nice person.

[NLewis]

I have never seen ANY RP between us and pwol/Nlewis besides our previous peace agreement, of which at the time they broke because someone had "shiny armor". I heard they backed out of SC. And now what? They're gonna continue to betray and nonrp.

Nlewis and Pwol are about the only ones that didn't back out of the SC.

Friend went to their towns few days ago and saw a sign on their message board saying "we are no longer part of the sc", and then they talked about it and other stuff and he left.

The southern alliance fell. Everyone walked away from it

[smellityet]

I But I think this system of only having the Southern Alliance Members ask permission to raid, meanwhile we are being attacked by other parties, very unfair. I think if we want to place a restriction on us, you should place a restriction on everyone else or nobody at all.

It is against their characters' values to fight back on an equal scale. They don't want a war, and yet they are still attacked.

The towns and nations give themselves a self-restriction by behaving like civilized people of Kiwike would. Instead of running around and fleeing like nomads, they have to make an extra effort to build a wall. Not only that, they spend additonal time playing Minecraft smelting cobblestone, building extra layers, and decorating it with a design to make sure it doesn't de-beautify Kiwike and set a bad example.
Barbarians don't have the same kind of restriction. Therefore, it balances the scale to regulate the raids. Anyone who opposes you guys clearly does not raid you as often as you do to others.

[oranges44]

So what smellityet? , You're forcing all your energy into attacking my argument just because I killed you at the beginning of when I started playing Kiwike? Considering Crash was there and spent a good 10 minutes RP'ing with you which it then escalated into a theft. That good sir. Is completely unfair for you to do.

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And to the admin's and Mods of the server , Doesn't this seem a bit odd to you? I get a long ban for a week just because I happened to have acted in self - defence? I mean Bowser could of easily asked what I was doing. Surely griefing someone's proud work is a more deservable ban then killing someone in self defence. Right now I don't see why I can't be unbanned or the have the ban itself shortened. Could I receive some further clarification from a mod or admin explaining why the ban was week worthy and what exactly is the major problem with acting in self defence?

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The towns and nations give themselves a self-restriction by behaving like civilized people of Kiwike would. Instead of running around and fleeing like nomads, they have to make an extra effort to build a wall. Not only that, they spend additonal time playing Minecraft smelting cobblestone, building extra layers, and decorating it with a design to make sure it doesn't de-beautify Kiwike and set a bad example.
Barbarians don't have the same kind of restriction. Therefore, it balances the scale to regulate the raids. Anyone who opposes you guys clearly does not raid you as often as you do to others.

Don't we all do the same? , If you sir saw Solitude you would know how much more work we have spent in protection then the remaining towns. Therefore it's unjustified to call us "barbarians" because the fact is we have actually 'managed' to place up effective walls and protection mechanisms.

[Saera]

We are going off topic again. And seeing that I put the ban on him, I'll tell you what had happened on my end.

I was off minecraft, when the staff got a message on skype from Partyars, informing us that Gira wanted permission to raid Coranis. I asked for the reason for it (resources, revenge, etc). Before we got to decide, I got called by Bowser saying that he has been killed by Gira. I checked the logs and sure enough, Gira did kill Bowser in Coranis. I got on to confront Gira about it, and the reason he gave me was that he mistook Partyar's message as a "yes".

After a few more questions I went afk to check the logs and confront with the mods. Partyar's did not come anywhere close to saying a "yes".

After all that, Gira later says that he WASN'T raiding yet, that it was a scouting party of some sort (In full diamond armor and equipments, but I will disregard that, no one said you can't scout in full diamond armor). Gira also said that bowser hit him first, and he acted in self-defence, and retreated.

This is where the story gets confusing. IF Gira mistook Partyar's message as a "yes" to the raiding of Coras, SO being in Coranis MEANS that he IS raiding Coranis. Whether Bowser really hit Gira first or not, it is still the fact that Gira WAS in Coranis, which the SC has a history of raiding, before the mods even grant any permission whatsoever. You'd have expected Gira and the rest to be a KOS in their town. You'd also expect the citizens of Coranis to attempt some defence within their OWN town.

Things might have been different if Gira actually waited first in his own town before getting our permission to raid. He has already been stepping on thin ice ever since this PvP and raiding-fest started.

I am not angry at the fact that you raided the elves the second time, seeing as it was indeed revenge for some of the elves to have revenge on your town, and Yottabyte gave you permission. I am not sure about your third visit, seeing as none of the Mods could tell me if they granted permission (and whether you say it was self-defense or not, of course the elves would retaliate against a group who has raided them before).

Gira, I respect you as an individual, and it was fun during the times we still could talk, between player and mod. I respect your PvP capabilities, I wish I even have an ounce of that to be able to at least fight back a little, but I do not. Not every player, especially those who join for the RP, is going to want to raid and do PvP all the time. The PvP comes with the consent of the other side as well, as part of the RP (eg. my character goes through her episodes, and she will attempt to kill, and of course the other side will know that and RP with that).

You may think the way you play is not wrong at all, and it really isn't, if this server is a PvP server. I have rejected an application where all he wants is PvP, and we recommended him to find a PvP server.

I did not find any satisfaction whatsoever when I ban, and definitely not in yours. I only hope that you'd please re-think about your playstyle, and if it really is going to fit in an RP server. This isn't Kiwike 2.0 anymore, this is Revamped.

[oranges44]

Well , Like I said maybe that is possible - And thank you clarifying that. But really , If you wanted me to do that you could of simply asked. Not once did I get a direct confrontation from any of the staff telling me that directly. If you approached it differently instead of constantly arguing at me and restricting me you could of easily made me stop my aggressive nature (Although it's all in RP wise consent). Now could I have some clarification on why it is infact an entire week?

And about the Bowser problem , You see I was in their town and no one was there. Until Bowser logged in and attacked me! So In fact it was all down to bad timing. I'm sure if you check the logs you'll see that Bowser logged in and about a minute later died. Unlike contrary belief that he was there and I assaulted him.

[asdfasdflkjty911]

I have never seen ANY RP between us and pwol/Nlewis besides our previous peace agreement, of which at the time they broke because someone had "shiny armor". I heard they backed out of SC. And now what? They're gonna continue to betray and nonrp.

Nlewis and Pwol are about the only ones that didn't back out of the SC.

Friend went to their towns few days ago and saw a sign on their message board saying "we are no longer part of the sc", and then they talked about it and other stuff and he left.

The southern alliance fell. Everyone walked away from it

Hah! Told you!!

[oranges44]

((It disbanded officially , However only what? 3 members left it. The majority are with solitude.